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player21
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 Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:42 am Post subject: 6-OXO or Novedex? which one is best? |
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any comments on this before i start to throw more money away on this fine body im honing??? |
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getNbig
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:40 am Post subject: Re: 6-OXO or Novedex? which one is best? |
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6 oxo is a supplement nolvadex need a script to obtain no brainer! |
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player21
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:51 am Post subject: Re: 6-OXO or Novedex? which one is best? |
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i can get both...right people in right places... i assume novedex is the better of the 2?
or, anything better that you can recommend to get rid of the small but developing 'bitch tits' that im starting to get? (not connected to any roid use, runs in the family unfortunately!) |
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steveo
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: 6-OXO or Novedex? which one is best? |
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6-OXO is sold at GNC! Anyone can get it. If your going to do a cycle you need nolvadex not 6oxo
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StrengthAndPower213
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: 6-OXO or Novedex? which one is best? |
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yeah, 6oxo doesn't insure u that u won't have any probs, u need to use the novedex, thats the best way to go bro
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rex-tc
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: 6-OXO or Novedex? which one is best? |
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I think he is asking about Novadex XT which is made by Gaspari not nolvadex that is used for PCT. In that case this should go in the supplements section.
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getNbig
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: 6-OXO or Novedex? which one is best? |
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Nolvadex really isn't used for pct atleast not that i ever do! Clomid is for PCT also HCG you CAN throw nolvadex in there must Most Of us use Nolvadex for what it's mainly for to BLOCK estrogen while on your cycle I always run 20mg ed through out my cycle. |
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rex-tc
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: 6-OXO or Novedex? which one is best? |
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Both compounds are structurally alike, classified as triphenylethylenes. Nolvadex is clearly the stronger component of the two as it can achieve better results in decreasing overall estrogen with 20-40 mg a day, than clomid can in doses of 100-150 mg a day. But that wasn't my point......
My point was that this guy was asking about supplements. A lof of supplement guys don't even know about nolva and novadex is a new supplement claiming to block estrogen. I think the later is what he was refereing to.
As for the PCT Nolvadex has a direct influence on bringing back natural testosterone, where as clomid may actually have a slight negative influence. The reason being that Tamoxifen (as in Nolvadex) seems to increase the responsiveness of LH (luteinizing hormone) to GnRH (gonadtropin releasing hormone), whereas clomid seems to decrease the responsiveness a bit.
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steveo
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: 6-OXO or Novedex? which one is best? |
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| rex-tc wrote: |
As for the PCT Nolvadex has a direct influence on bringing back natural testosterone, where as clomid may actually have a slight negative influence. The reason being that Tamoxifen (as in Nolvadex) seems to increase the responsiveness of LH (luteinizing hormone) to GnRH (gonadtropin releasing hormone), whereas clomid seems to decrease the responsiveness a bit. |
Interesting, where did you read up on this?
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cgballa2005
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: 6-OXO or Novedex? which one is best? |
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| rex-tc wrote: |
As for the PCT Nolvadex has a direct influence on bringing back natural testosterone, where as clomid may actually have a slight negative influence. The reason being that Tamoxifen (as in Nolvadex) seems to increase the responsiveness of LH (luteinizing hormone) to GnRH (gonadtropin releasing hormone), whereas clomid seems to decrease the responsiveness a bit. |
lol wat the hell are u talkin about clomid helps bring u back to ur natural test levels. it doesnt have a negative influence.... |
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rex-tc
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: 6-OXO or Novedex? which one is best? |
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| Interesting, where did you read up on this? |
Vermeulen A., Comhaire F., Hormonal effects of an anti-estrogen, tamoxifen, in normal and oligospermic men, Fertil. Ster. 29 (1978) 320-27
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getNbig
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: 6-OXO or Novedex? which one is best? |
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| cgballa2005 wrote: |
| rex-tc wrote: |
As for the PCT Nolvadex has a direct influence on bringing back natural testosterone, where as clomid may actually have a slight negative influence. The reason being that Tamoxifen (as in Nolvadex) seems to increase the responsiveness of LH (luteinizing hormone) to GnRH (gonadtropin releasing hormone), whereas clomid seems to decrease the responsiveness a bit. |
lol wat the hell are u talkin about clomid helps bring u back to ur natural test levels. it doesnt have a negative influence.... |
He is talking about your LH to GnRH clomid decreases teh RESPONSIVENESS A BIT! Isn't saying it doesn't work Just Tamoxifen increases the responivness BUT it's not to the point that it's real bad or anything like that! It's going to do it's job OF Restoring your balls to Produce Like they were b4 the juice. I've also read that 20-40mg nolva does the same trick a lil better then 100-150mg clomid which is cheaper for your pockets to just take 40mg of the nolva BUT I like to take clomid and hcg and run arimidex with it! THAT IS ME everyone is different. |
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bignate
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:42 am Post subject: Re: 6-OXO or Novedex? which one is best? |
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Yeah who cares what you guys are talking about? :-p Cause the original poster is still talking about supplement crap, not the real deal :-p
But 6-oxo is actually pretty good, but not as good as adex or letro...MMMMM letro, makes one hot body. |
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boddah666
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: 6-OXO or Novedex? which one is best? |
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| steveo wrote: |
| rex-tc wrote: |
As for the PCT Nolvadex has a direct influence on bringing back natural testosterone, where as clomid may actually have a slight negative influence. The reason being that Tamoxifen (as in Nolvadex) seems to increase the responsiveness of LH (luteinizing hormone) to GnRH (gonadtropin releasing hormone), whereas clomid seems to decrease the responsiveness a bit. |
Interesting, where did you read up on this? |
everything he says looks like it came directly from the link below under clomid/nolva.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catsteroids.htm |
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