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 Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:44 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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Nah that doesnt settle it buddy.
What he is saying in the first link is that (1) you shouldnt be injecting a pregnancy hormone and (2) any very low calorie diet will bring weight loss.
My reply:
(1) whats wrong with injecting HCG?
(2) Hcg prevents you from losing muscle mass (maybe a tiny bit is lost) while losing fat.
I didnt read the second link coz afte wasting my time reading the first one i'm not doing it again.
If there is strong evidence then could you put it in a nut shell for me buddy, thanks  |
Second link basically says the guy that’s promoting the diet is a known con man and that you will lose weight with only taking 500Cals a day weather or not you’re taking HCG
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:37 am Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| Nowler wrote: |
Nah that doesnt settle it buddy.
What he is saying in the first link is that (1) you shouldnt be injecting a pregnancy hormone and (2) any very low calorie diet will bring weight loss.
My reply:
(1) whats wrong with injecting HCG?
(2) Hcg prevents you from losing muscle mass (maybe a tiny bit is lost) while losing fat.
I didnt read the second link coz afte wasting my time reading the first one i'm not doing it again.
If there is strong evidence then could you put it in a nut shell for me buddy, thanks |
Second link basically says the guy that’s promoting the diet is a known con man and that you will lose weight with only taking 500Cals a day weather or not you’re taking HCG |
Thanks for saving me the read mate,
Just because he's a con man doesnt mean the diet is bunk.
The Dr. that invented it in the 50's wasnt a con, he proved it to work and so did thousands of other people, including me and a few guys that i know and soon Crgrimm77 will do the same if he sticks to the correct diet.
Ye anyone that consumes 500-800kcals per day WILL lose fat but will also lose muscle mass too, what the hcg does it preserves muscle.
I think how it does that is coz it mimic's LH and stimulates testosterone production.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:42 am Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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the hcg diet is ridiculous and completely unnecessary  |
Yes your correct by saying it's unnecessary, completely correct, it not ''necessary''.
Neither are the following supplements: protein powder, creatine, N.O Explode, Caffine, Prohormones, Steroids, HGH, IGF, Insulin ect..
They are all tools and methods by which we look to gain or lose something, exactly what the HCG Diet is!!!
Why are you saying its ridiculous?
Please explain? |
Seriously dude your losing a lot credit in my book by even mentioning the idea. You think jay cutler did the hcg diet to get ready for the Olympia? Hell no he didn't. Why would anyone who claims to be in the sport of bodybuilding do such a silly diet? Hcg is a drug first of all, a hormone, not a supplement and the diet hasn't been scientifically proven to do jack shit. I just don't see why anyone would restrict themselves to so few calories, it's ridiculous |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| Nowler wrote: |
| maxpower15 wrote: |
| the hcg diet is ridiculous and completely unnecessary |
Yes your correct by saying it's unnecessary, completely correct, it not ''necessary''.
Neither are the following supplements: protein powder, creatine, N.O Explode, Caffine, Prohormones, Steroids, HGH, IGF, Insulin ect..
They are all tools and methods by which we look to gain or lose something, exactly what the HCG Diet is!!!
Why are you saying its ridiculous?
Please explain? |
Seriously dude your losing a lot credit in my book by even mentioning the idea. You think jay cutler did the hcg diet to get ready for the Olympia? Hell no he didn't. Why would anyone who claims to be in the sport of bodybuilding do such a silly diet? Hcg is a drug first of all, a hormone, not a supplement and the diet hasn't been scientifically proven to do jack shit. I just don't see why anyone would restrict themselves to so few calories, it's ridiculous |
The diet isnt for someone that has low body fat like cuttler or other competitive bodybuilders.
It is for fat people/people with a little too much fat, abnormal fat!!
Stop trying to win over a point from something that i never claimed in the first place.
You ask:''Why would anyone who claims to be in the sport of bodybuilding do such a silly diet?''
My answer: Simple, It works and has more than one benifit
And psychologically this diet is a great help, it helps people to tell the difference between being hungry and just an empty stomach, so hopefully they dont make the same mistake again.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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so are you obese dude? why are you using it??
tell me about all the wonderful benefits man! |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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Would you recommend the velocity diet(all liquid diet)? Just because it may lower weight doesnt mean its not dangerous or that people should use it. I use to play with these diet fabs until i found out these diets are not healthy and they did more harm than good. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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so are you obese dude? why are you using it??
tell me about all the wonderful benefits man! |
Nah, im not obese but i'm 19% bf all the same.
Benefits:
1. Fat Loss
2. Detox
3. Digestive system gets a well deserved break
4. Makes people see the difference between hunger and just an empty stomach.
5. Its quicker than traditional Dieting (Although i dont recommend to use this all the time)
6. Its great to be used to prime the body b4 a bulk steroid cycle.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| Would you recommend the velocity diet(all liquid diet)? Just because it may lower weight doesnt mean its not dangerous or that people should use it. I use to play with these diet fabs until i found out these diets are not healthy and they did more harm than good. |
No i dont because someone will lose muscle mass with that diet, PLUS: i dont know what the ingrediants are in the shake stuff.
I am recommending this HCG diet because one will preserve muscle mass due to the HCG being added to the mix.
I am not saying to use this everytime you need to lose fat, because obviously one is lacking in proper nutrients during this, but i see it ok to do once in a while.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| Nowler wrote: |
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| Would you recommend the velocity diet(all liquid diet)? Just because it may lower weight doesnt mean its not dangerous or that people should use it. I use to play with these diet fabs until i found out these diets are not healthy and they did more harm than good. |
No i dont because someone will lose muscle mass with that diet, PLUS: i dont know what the ingrediants are in the shake stuff.
I am recommending this HCG diet because one will preserve muscle mass due to the HCG being added to the mix.
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Thats the theory but nothing has been proven. I personally know at least 30 people that have done the HCG diet. some had great success but most were miserable and most gained back all the weight when they were done. and none of them showed any sign of preserving any more lbm then if they had not used HCG at all. so starve away brother |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:02 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| maxpower15 wrote: |
| Nowler wrote: |
| Caleb56 wrote: |
| Would you recommend the velocity diet(all liquid diet)? Just because it may lower weight doesnt mean its not dangerous or that people should use it. I use to play with these diet fabs until i found out these diets are not healthy and they did more harm than good. |
No i dont because someone will lose muscle mass with that diet, PLUS: i dont know what the ingrediants are in the shake stuff.
I am recommending this HCG diet because one will preserve muscle mass due to the HCG being added to the mix.
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Thats the theory but nothing has been proven. I personally know at least 30 people that have done the HCG diet. some had great success but most were miserable and most gained back all the weight when they were done. and none of them showed any sign of preserving any more lbm then if they had not used HCG at all. so starve away brother |
What do you mean by ''most were miserable''?
Why were they miserable?
Well you and i both know why they gained the weight back max, they never changed there diet after losing the fat, and i find it very frustrating that your bad mouthing this diet with complete Bull Sh!t!!
Now your pissing on the diet because people gain weight after they stopped the diet!!
Well maybe if they cleaned their diet up then that wouldnt happen.
Thats like saying cardio is Crap: Someone drops their calories and starts doing A new style of cardio, loses great amounts of fat, then when they go back to their normal cardio they go back to their crap diet and gain the weight back again
Im after backing up everything i'm saying here with evidence, both personal and through people i know.
Your not after producing any 
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:32 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| Nowler wrote: |
| maxpower15 wrote: |
| Nowler wrote: |
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| Would you recommend the velocity diet(all liquid diet)? Just because it may lower weight doesnt mean its not dangerous or that people should use it. I use to play with these diet fabs until i found out these diets are not healthy and they did more harm than good. |
No i dont because someone will lose muscle mass with that diet, PLUS: i dont know what the ingrediants are in the shake stuff.
I am recommending this HCG diet because one will preserve muscle mass due to the HCG being added to the mix.
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Thats the theory but nothing has been proven. I personally know at least 30 people that have done the HCG diet. some had great success but most were miserable and most gained back all the weight when they were done. and none of them showed any sign of preserving any more lbm then if they had not used HCG at all. so starve away brother |
What do you mean by ''most were miserable''?
Why were they miserable?
Well you and i both know why they gained the weight back max, they never changed there diet after losing the fat, and i find it very frustrating that your bad mouthing this diet with complete Bull Sh!t!!
Now your pissing on the diet because people gain weight after they stopped the diet!!
Well maybe if they cleaned their diet up then that wouldnt happen.
Thats like saying cardio is Crap: Someone drops their calories and starts doing A new style of cardio, loses great amounts of fat, then when they go back to their normal cardio they go back to their crap diet and gain the weight back again
Im after backing up everything i'm saying here with evidence, both personal and through people i know.
Your not after producing any |
I cant understand why you continue with this non sense. Who cares if this diet works(not saying it does), its unhealthy. Why not just do a moderate carb or low carb diet? Is it because your looking for a shortcut? I can guareentee you when you see the end of my cutting phase your gonna understand why i stopped taking short cuts. Just because you can lose with a diet does not mean it should be recommended. I wouldnt recommend this diet to my worst enemy. Velocity diet works the same, people have claimed it has caused them to lose fat and maintain lbm but its all a placebo effect. In fact you must have pics of before and after this diet Nowler lets see the before and afters Nowler. Make me a believer, I respect you but i will not respect this diet. It has no place in bodybuilding .
Im so tired of shortcuts i refuse to cut with any fat burners, they cause you to go into a catabolic state. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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Listen, what im saying is this diet works, it burns fat, and burns it quick!!
Yes, it's not the healthiest diet but nobody is going to die from it.
It's you guys that are making out that i believe it's the god of all diets!!
Your backing me into a corner and making me fight a battle just because i said it works and i would recommend anyone ''overfat'' to try it out and see for themselves.
All i'm saying is it works, thats all!!
I dont have any pictures of my body, well i have one that i took early last year and of course the tattoo shots but thats it.
I am going through a ''temporary'' rough patch in my life at the moment and am not training, havent trained properly since last november, and i cut my hcg diet short because of it.
Its funny because the 2 of you are arguing with me over a diet when both of you have used gear which is far worse (im not anti steroids, i like em  ) .
The diet isnt as ''healthy'' as the old fashion slow diet, but it's not as bad as you 2 are making out!!
Q.Why do our bodys store fat??
A.To use it as energy at some point!!
Q.What does the hcg diet do?
A.Forces the body to utilize fat as energy(which is releasing some of the stress on your liver)
One or both of you have said that this diet is ''starving'', how do you make that out when your bodys energy demands ARE being met!!
Can we not just get on with things and stop arguing over this!!
I have told you from personal experiances that it works.
Hell we can argue about more important things like Global warming, Who shot JR or whether Humpty Dumpty fell off the wall or got pushed!!
P.S: Looking forward to seeing your progress pics mate
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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Listen, what im saying is this diet works, it burns fat, and burns it quick!!
Yes, it's not the healthiest diet but nobody is going to die from it.
It's you guys that are making out that i believe it's the god of all diets!!
Your backing me into a corner and making me fight a battle just because i said it works and i would recommend anyone ''overfat'' to try it out and see for themselves.
All i'm saying is it works, thats all!!
I dont have any pictures of my body, well i have one that i took early last year and of course the tattoo shots but thats it.
I am going through a ''temporary'' rough patch in my life at the moment and am not training, havent trained properly since last november, and i cut my hcg diet short because of it.
Its funny because the 2 of you are arguing with me over a diet when both of you have used gear which is far worse (im not anti steroids, i like em ) .
The diet isnt as ''healthy'' as the old fashion slow diet, but it's not as bad as you 2 are making out!!
Q.Why do our bodys store fat??
A.To use it as energy at some point!!
Q.What does the hcg diet do?
A.Forces the body to utilize fat as energy(which is releasing some of the stress on your liver)
One or both of you have said that this diet is ''starving'', how do you make that out when your bodys energy demands ARE being met!!
Can we not just get on with things and stop arguing over this!!
I have told you from personal experiances that it works.
Hell we can argue about more important things like Global warming, Who shot JR or whether Humpty Dumpty fell off the wall or got pushed!!
P.S: Looking forward to seeing your progress pics mate |
Global warming is bs |
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I pushed that mother fucking humpty dumpty over the wall. Bitch owed me money.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:21 am Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| I pushed that mother fucking humpty dumpty over the wall. Bitch owed me money. |
You shoot my man J.R too!!
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| Nowler wrote: |
| maxpower15 wrote: |
| Nowler wrote: |
| Caleb56 wrote: |
| Would you recommend the velocity diet(all liquid diet)? Just because it may lower weight doesnt mean its not dangerous or that people should use it. I use to play with these diet fabs until i found out these diets are not healthy and they did more harm than good. |
No i dont because someone will lose muscle mass with that diet, PLUS: i dont know what the ingrediants are in the shake stuff.
I am recommending this HCG diet because one will preserve muscle mass due to the HCG being added to the mix.
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Thats the theory but nothing has been proven. I personally know at least 30 people that have done the HCG diet. some had great success but most were miserable and most gained back all the weight when they were done. and none of them showed any sign of preserving any more lbm then if they had not used HCG at all. so starve away brother |
What do you mean by ''most were miserable''?
Why were they miserable?
Well you and i both know why they gained the weight back max, they never changed there diet after losing the fat, and i find it very frustrating that your bad mouthing this diet with complete Bull Sh!t!!
Now your pissing on the diet because people gain weight after they stopped the diet!!
Well maybe if they cleaned their diet up then that wouldnt happen.
Thats like saying cardio is Crap: Someone drops their calories and starts doing A new style of cardio, loses great amounts of fat, then when they go back to their normal cardio they go back to their crap diet and gain the weight back again
Im after backing up everything i'm saying here with evidence, both personal and through people i know.
Your not after producing any |
show me some real world scientific backing man, pretty sure you won't find it, i've looked and i cant find it. they were miserable cause they were starving all the time. they gained it back because restricting yourself to a diet that in a million years you wont maintain and that starves your body turns your body into a sponge and you put the fat on as quick as you lost it. and thats not even eating crap. I honestly just hate this diet, i deal with it everyday. I think its bullshit and its being pushed here by all the bullshittin chiropractors... and don't get me started on chiropractors! |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| maxpower15 wrote: |
| Nowler wrote: |
| maxpower15 wrote: |
| Nowler wrote: |
| Caleb56 wrote: |
| Would you recommend the velocity diet(all liquid diet)? Just because it may lower weight doesnt mean its not dangerous or that people should use it. I use to play with these diet fabs until i found out these diets are not healthy and they did more harm than good. |
No i dont because someone will lose muscle mass with that diet, PLUS: i dont know what the ingrediants are in the shake stuff.
I am recommending this HCG diet because one will preserve muscle mass due to the HCG being added to the mix.
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Thats the theory but nothing has been proven. I personally know at least 30 people that have done the HCG diet. some had great success but most were miserable and most gained back all the weight when they were done. and none of them showed any sign of preserving any more lbm then if they had not used HCG at all. so starve away brother |
What do you mean by ''most were miserable''?
Why were they miserable?
Well you and i both know why they gained the weight back max, they never changed there diet after losing the fat, and i find it very frustrating that your bad mouthing this diet with complete Bull Sh!t!!
Now your pissing on the diet because people gain weight after they stopped the diet!!
Well maybe if they cleaned their diet up then that wouldnt happen.
Thats like saying cardio is Crap: Someone drops their calories and starts doing A new style of cardio, loses great amounts of fat, then when they go back to their normal cardio they go back to their crap diet and gain the weight back again
Im after backing up everything i'm saying here with evidence, both personal and through people i know.
Your not after producing any |
show me some real world scientific backing man, pretty sure you won't find it, i've looked and i cant find it. they were miserable cause they were starving all the time. they gained it back because restricting yourself to a diet that in a million years you wont maintain and that starves your body turns your body into a sponge and you put the fat on as quick as you lost it. and thats not even eating crap. I honestly just hate this diet, i deal with it everyday. I think its bullshit and its being pushed here by all the bullshittin chiropractors... and don't get me started on chiropractors! |
I agree with you 100% but to be fair, h ttp://drbloem.com/treatment-options/dr-simeons-hcg-diet/hcg-diet-faqs/
quite a bit of studies listed. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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show me some real world scientific backing man, pretty sure you won't find it, i've looked and i cant find it. they were miserable cause they were starving all the time. they gained it back because restricting yourself to a diet that in a million years you wont maintain and that starves your body turns your body into a sponge and you put the fat on as quick as you lost it. and thats not even eating crap. I honestly just hate this diet, i deal with it everyday. I think its bullshit and its being pushed here by all the bullshittin chiropractors... and don't get me started on chiropractors! |
Damn max, your giving me a headache!!
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Here's is a copy and paste from Calebs link:
Q. How is it possible to be on a 500 Calorie* per day diet while on this protocol?
A.Some people have a hard time understanding the rationale behind the 500 Calorie per day diet. They may say that anyone would lose weight on a 500 Calorie per day diet or that it would be impossible to follow.
If somebody were to start a 500 Calorie per day diet without HCG, he or she would experience the following: hunger, cravings, feelings of misery, loss of structural fat and muscle mass, and a lack of loss of abnormal fat deposits.
When patients start on the HCG protocol they generally lose up to one pound of abnormal fat per day. Each pound of fat contains approximately 3500 Calories. If people lose one pound of abnormal fat in one day that makes 3500 Calories available to them. This is in addition to the 500 Calories that they consume through their diet, making the total 4000 Calories. If people lose one half pound of abnormal fat, that makes 1750 Calories available to them, making the total 2250 Calories. So although the oral consumption is limited to 500 Calories per day, patients have access to adequate amounts of energy because the rest of the calories is generated internally through the breakdown of fat deposits (lipolysis).''
Im finished agruing with you on this max coz were going around in circles!!
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| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:10 am Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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Well that copy and paste tells me nothing. I would just hate for dudes to get on here and see you doin this shit and think it's a good idea cause it's not. There's a hundred better ways in this world to lose fat, especially when it comes to bodybuilding. And this is a bodybuilding forum. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| Well that copy and paste tells me nothing. I would just hate for dudes to get on here and see you doin this shit and think it's a good idea cause it's not. There's a hundred better ways in this world to lose fat, especially when it comes to bodybuilding. And this is a bodybuilding forum. |
That's your opinion, which your entitled to
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| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| maxpower15 wrote: |
| Well that copy and paste tells me nothing. I would just hate for dudes to get on here and see you doin this shit and think it's a good idea cause it's not. There's a hundred better ways in this world to lose fat, especially when it comes to bodybuilding. And this is a bodybuilding forum. |
That's your opinion, which your entitled to |
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guys, where i can find ephedrine? before i have bought it somewhere but now the ephedrine is out of stock.
Thanks! |
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guys, where i can find ephedrine? before i have bought it somewhere but now the ephedrine is out of stock.
Thanks! |
depends on what state you live in, laws are different depending. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:53 am Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| Caleb56 wrote: |
| roids wrote: |
guys, where i can find ephedrine? before i have bought it somewhere but now the ephedrine is out of stock.
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depends on what state you live in, laws are different depending. |
He was spamming, i had to delete the link from his post
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