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 Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:02 pm Post subject: Ephedra HCL question |
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I have been ordering ephedra Vasapro for some time now. Though I got online to re-stock and found out that my state put restrictions on buying the product. So I can no longer order it. I can only order ephedra that is 12.5 mg or less. Any suggestions on a product that I could use in place of it. What type of ephedrine is good that is under 12.5 mg |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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well you might be out of luck man. if its Ephedra rather then ephedrine, then what your gonna get isn't gonna come close to comparing. and most ephedra products are made from inferior sources. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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thanx im actually going to run a cycle of hcg. i really trying to get rid of some stubborn fat. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| crgrimm77 wrote: |
| thanx im actually going to run a cycle of hcg. i really trying to get rid of some stubborn fat. |
What bodyfat % are you mate??
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| crgrimm77 wrote: |
| thanx im actually going to run a cycle of hcg. i really trying to get rid of some stubborn fat. |
why would you run a cycle of hcg? |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| maxpower15 wrote: |
| crgrimm77 wrote: |
| thanx im actually going to run a cycle of hcg. i really trying to get rid of some stubborn fat. |
why would you run a cycle of hcg? |
Hcg diet mate,
Check out my log in the fat loss section, it's great for over fat people and it doubles as a detox too
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| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| Nowler. wrote: |
| maxpower15 wrote: |
| crgrimm77 wrote: |
| thanx im actually going to run a cycle of hcg. i really trying to get rid of some stubborn fat. |
why would you run a cycle of hcg? |
Hcg diet mate,
Check out my log in the fat loss section, it's great for over fat people and it doubles as a detox too |
so you're injecting hcg and eating 500 calories a day?
I deal with people wanting to do that crap every day and i think its stupid  |
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crgrimm77
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| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| maxpower15 wrote: |
| Nowler. wrote: |
| maxpower15 wrote: |
| crgrimm77 wrote: |
| thanx im actually going to run a cycle of hcg. i really trying to get rid of some stubborn fat. |
why would you run a cycle of hcg? |
Hcg diet mate,
Check out my log in the fat loss section, it's great for over fat people and it doubles as a detox too |
so you're injecting hcg and eating 500 calories a day?
I deal with people wanting to do that crap every day and i think its stupid |
Your right I'm not big on the calorie intake part. I mean am I losing weight because of only taking in 500 cals or is it the HCG? I'm going to run it and see how it works. It may me my first and last time. But I have this stubborn extra fat that I just can't seem to cut. I will loose some but when I run a bulking cycle I always seem to gain it back. It all stems from putting and cutting weight while I wrestled in college. Like I said ephadrine works great and I see success with it, but my state has put a ban on it again. I would stick with it if I could find a sub. but all I can buy in my state now is 12.5 mg of the shit. And I have yet to find that anywhere. And I really don't want to buy it from overseas that is stupid. Besides using clen which has way too many bad side effects HCG is all I can think about doing.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| maxpower15 wrote: |
| Nowler. wrote: |
| maxpower15 wrote: |
| crgrimm77 wrote: |
| thanx im actually going to run a cycle of hcg. i really trying to get rid of some stubborn fat. |
why would you run a cycle of hcg? |
Hcg diet mate,
Check out my log in the fat loss section, it's great for over fat people and it doubles as a detox too |
so you're injecting hcg and eating 500 calories a day?
I deal with people wanting to do that crap every day and i think its stupid |
Have you tried it?
Do you know anyone that tried it?
Have you researched it?
Do you know what it is?
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| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| crgrimm77 wrote: |
| maxpower15 wrote: |
| Nowler. wrote: |
| maxpower15 wrote: |
| crgrimm77 wrote: |
| thanx im actually going to run a cycle of hcg. i really trying to get rid of some stubborn fat. |
why would you run a cycle of hcg? |
Hcg diet mate,
Check out my log in the fat loss section, it's great for over fat people and it doubles as a detox too |
so you're injecting hcg and eating 500 calories a day?
I deal with people wanting to do that crap every day and i think its stupid |
Your right I'm not big on the calorie intake part. I mean am I losing weight because of only taking in 500 cals or is it the HCG? I'm going to run it and see how it works. It may me my first and last time. But I have this stubborn extra fat that I just can't seem to cut. I will loose some but when I run a bulking cycle I always seem to gain it back. It all stems from putting and cutting weight while I wrestled in college. Like I said ephadrine works great and I see success with it, but my state has put a ban on it again. I would stick with it if I could find a sub. but all I can buy in my state now is 12.5 mg of the shit. And I have yet to find that anywhere. And I really don't want to buy it from overseas that is stupid. Besides using clen which has way too many bad side effects HCG is all I can think about doing. |
Dont worry mate, it does work but you have to realise that its for abnormal fat, it ONLY sheds abnormal fat.
What is abnormal fat?
My guess is, abnormal fat is anything over 12%.
Your losing the fat from the lack in calories but the hcg is maintaining your muscle by making your body turn to fat for energy rather than muscle.
Thats why you cant train or do anything stressful eg. cardio/weights because doing so will force your body out of this mode and turn to muscle due to the lack of calories so be sure not to workout.
If your running a cycle, i recommend that you start the day after you stop the hcg diet as your body will be detoxed and primed for the cycle 
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| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:34 am Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| maxpower15 wrote: |
| Nowler. wrote: |
| maxpower15 wrote: |
| crgrimm77 wrote: |
| thanx im actually going to run a cycle of hcg. i really trying to get rid of some stubborn fat. |
why would you run a cycle of hcg? |
Hcg diet mate,
Check out my log in the fat loss section, it's great for over fat people and it doubles as a detox too |
so you're injecting hcg and eating 500 calories a day?
I deal with people wanting to do that crap every day and i think its stupid |
I have to agree. Theres no evidence to support what Nolwler is stating. Sounds like a starvation diet, but im sure its a detoxer.  |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:21 am Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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What do you means there is no evidence?
www.hcgdietinfo.com/HCG_Diet_Dr_Simeons_Manuscript.htm
Look it up on youtube: Here is one on many links www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSecvT2LUTE
And i am personnaly after trying it, and have talked to guys who have tried it too.
What more evidence could someone need!! 
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| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| Caleb56 wrote: |
| maxpower15 wrote: |
| Nowler. wrote: |
| maxpower15 wrote: |
| crgrimm77 wrote: |
| thanx im actually going to run a cycle of hcg. i really trying to get rid of some stubborn fat. |
why would you run a cycle of hcg? |
Hcg diet mate,
Check out my log in the fat loss section, it's great for over fat people and it doubles as a detox too |
so you're injecting hcg and eating 500 calories a day?
I deal with people wanting to do that crap every day and i think its stupid |
I have to agree. Theres no evidence to support what Nolwler is stating. Sounds like a starvation diet, but im sure its a detoxer. |
Yes there is evidence that it works, I wouldn't call it starvation because I can get a good days worth food at 500 cal.
breakfast-Lite Yogurt dry toast
Lunch- raw vegie and half can albacore
dinner- grilled chicken and vegie
maybe a fruit added in.
I have checked the cal intake if you measure it out correctly it will be right at 500 cal or just a tad over.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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There are certain types of food that one must avoid while on this though, starchy food it one of those.
I dont know the rest but if you copy my diet then you will lose weight.
What is going on in the body is: your body is turning to fat for energy rather than anything else and the energy demands are being met also.
Fat is actually a really good source of energy,
Max you must agree with me on that coming from a personal training background!!
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| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| Nowler wrote: |
There are certain types of food that one must avoid while on this though, starchy food it one of those.
I dont know the rest but if you copy my diet then you will lose weight.
What is going on in the body is: your body is turning to fat for energy rather than anything else and the energy demands are being met also.
Fat is actually a really good source of energy,
Max you must agree with me on that coming from a personal training background!! |
heres an interesting read ttp://www.dietscam.org/reports/hcg.shtml , it may work but its hardly safe and shouldnt even be considered if your trying to bodybuild. |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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Why shouldn't it be used if trying to bodybuild?
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| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| Nowler wrote: |
| Why shouldn't it be used if trying to bodybuild? |
You cant build muscle on 500 cal a day.  No matter what drugs your taking. |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| Caleb56 wrote: |
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| Why shouldn't it be used if trying to bodybuild? |
You cant build muscle on 500 cal a day. No matter what drugs your taking. |
Yes thats right but it's not supposed to, its supposed to melt fat off while maintaining muscle mass.
So bodybuilders with abnormal bodyfat can benifit from this, so it does have it's place in bodybuilding, just not in the mass building department.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| Nowler wrote: |
| Caleb56 wrote: |
| Nowler wrote: |
| Why shouldn't it be used if trying to bodybuild? |
You cant build muscle on 500 cal a day. No matter what drugs your taking. |
Yes thats right but it's not supposed to, its supposed to melt fat off while maintaining muscle mass.
So bodybuilders with abnormal bodyfat can benifit from this, so it does have it's place in bodybuilding, just not in the mass building department. |
Where are your testimonials from people who have used this diet before competition? and why is the diet so drastic? would 1000 calories a day not work, and if not why so? Its a fad diet and its meant as a quick fix solution which is not what dieting is about. When you get down to the bodyfat percentages we are trying to reach you will understand Nowler. There are no quick fixes when it comes to dieting, just hard work dedication and consitancy. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| Caleb56 wrote: |
| Nowler wrote: |
| Caleb56 wrote: |
| Nowler wrote: |
| Why shouldn't it be used if trying to bodybuild? |
You cant build muscle on 500 cal a day. No matter what drugs your taking. |
Yes thats right but it's not supposed to, its supposed to melt fat off while maintaining muscle mass.
So bodybuilders with abnormal bodyfat can benifit from this, so it does have it's place in bodybuilding, just not in the mass building department. |
Where are your testimonials from people who have used this diet before competition? and why is the diet so drastic? would 1000 calories a day not work, and if not why so? Its a fad diet and its meant as a quick fix solution which is not what dieting is about. When you get down to the bodyfat percentages we are trying to reach you will understand Nowler. There are no quick fixes when it comes to dieting, just hard work dedication and consitancy. |
As i have said many times b4, The HCG diet will only shed abnormal fat, so unless a competitive bodybuilder has abnormal fat then he/she wount lose anything from it.
Your asking me why is it so drastic? why not 1000kcals?
Caleb, im not an expert, i didnt invent the diet!!
I have used it, i have seen the results from people using it and i am now spreading the information on to other people who could benifit from it.
I dont mind people challanging me about my opinion on things, we need to do that to be sure of things but im after explaining myself to the point where im repeating myself over and over again.
Dont tell me that there are no quick fixes to the dieting like i'm a newbie, im not stupid mate.
That is the attitude to have with someone that is expecting all their supplements to do the work for them, i know the importance of hard work dedication and consitancy.
I am putting this diet up here so people with high bf% can use it if they wish to do so.
If you dont want to do it and/or dont believe it then thats your opinion buddy, i'm not going to cry over it, but the evidence IS there and People HAVE used it to success.
This diet is a tool that can be used to jump from, for example 18%bf to 15%.
What it does is gives a bodybuilder a kick start and speeds everything up.
Also, because one is not eating much for the duration of the diet then the digestive system is getting a break, which is brilliant and it is also detoxing the body.
The pro's extremely outweigh the con's.
I actually can't see and con's.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:57 am Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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BTW, i read over that post and it seems like im pissed off with you, that isn't the case i'm just frustrated at the moment, i'll be fine in a while 
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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the hcg diet is ridiculous and completely unnecessary |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| the hcg diet is ridiculous and completely unnecessary |
Yes your correct by saying it's unnecessary, completely correct, it not ''necessary''.
Neither are the following supplements: protein powder, creatine, N.O Explode, Caffine, Prohormones, Steroids, HGH, IGF, Insulin ect..
They are all tools and methods by which we look to gain or lose something, exactly what the HCG Diet is!!!
Why are you saying its ridiculous?
Please explain?
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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| Nowler wrote: |
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| the hcg diet is ridiculous and completely unnecessary |
Yes your correct by saying it's unnecessary, completely correct, it not ''necessary''.
Neither are the following supplements: protein powder, creatine, N.O Explode, Caffine, Prohormones, Steroids, HGH, IGF, Insulin ect..
They are all tools and methods by which we look to gain or lose something, exactly what the HCG Diet is!!!
Why are you saying its ridiculous?
Please explain? |
This should put an end to it. ttp://calorielab.com/news/2008/04/27/news-flash-weight-loss-is-hard/ . Lets just take a look at the man who re-created the diet.
ttp://www.associatedcontent.com/article/982548/hcg_diet_marketed_by_convicted_fraud.html?cat=51
Kevin Trudeau After the FTC shut him down in 2004 for claiming on infomercials that his coral calcium supplement Coral Calcium Supreme cured cancer, and his Biotape pain reliever would permanently cure pain, his 2007 meet up with the FTC was no less contentious when he was held in civil contempt for the infomercial marketing of his book "The Weight Loss Cure 'They' Don't Want You to Know About" talking about, you guessed it, hCG.
Mincing words, the FTC objected to the marketing effort suggestion that the diet was easy and that dieters could eat anything they wanted. Truth be told, the HCG diet was created by one Dr. A. T. W. Simeons in the 1950s, but there is also the Kevin Trudeau weight loss protocol for those observing this radical weight loss option.
Of course hes just the man who revived the diet from doctor A T W simeons. So the diets been here since the 1950's. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: Ephedra HCL question |
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Nah that doesnt settle it buddy.
What he is saying in the first link is that (1) you shouldnt be injecting a pregnancy hormone and (2) any very low calorie diet will bring weight loss.
My reply:
(1) whats wrong with injecting HCG?
(2) Hcg prevents you from losing muscle mass (maybe a tiny bit is lost) while losing fat.
I didnt read the second link coz afte wasting my time reading the first one i'm not doing it again.
If there is strong evidence then could you put it in a nut shell for me buddy, thanks 
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